Atheism and Antitheism

topic posted Wed, January 18, 2006 - 8:29 PM by  Jon
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We atheists not believe in god or at least lack a belief about the existence of god(s). Therefore we do not believe certain texts were written or influenced by a supreme being. We see a clear majority of people in America basing core beliefs and assumptions about how to live one's life based on these texts. Beliefs that have little to no justification beyond a blind faith than it is correct. Many of these believers even go as so far as to lobby for laws or policies to be made to enforce these beliefs.

Yet many atheists claim they are not antitheists. Is it immoral to remain silent in these instances? How many here consider themselves antitheists?
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  • Re: Atheism and Antitheism

    Fri, January 20, 2006 - 1:02 PM
    I can't really see how it is a "moral" or "immoral" issue; morality is just a cultural artifact.

    I would consider myself "philosophically anti-theist" but legally laissez-faire, so long as there is an inviolable separation between Church and State. I think that any individual should be legally free to believe or express whatever they want, other than government officials, who should NEVER be allowed to publically express religious convictions, nor to show any regard to any matter of religions or religious practices. There should be diligent oversight into questions of propriety, and harsh punishment for violating the law.
  • Re: Atheism and Antitheism

    Wed, March 1, 2006 - 5:05 PM
    I'm firmly in the 'anti-theist' camp, more specifically 'anti-monotheist.'

    [I can't really get worked up about the idea of Hindus protesting abortion clinics or devout Pagans putting up a horned god creche outside city hall until those things actually start to happen.]


    What I really oppose is anyone attempting to force their mystical beliefs on anyone else.
    • Re: Atheism and Antitheism

      Thu, March 30, 2006 - 1:25 PM
      interesting question. :)

      i am anti-theist

      but i am not mad at theists at the moment who are not rightist and evil disgusting fucks.
      i think later, after the revolution, we can begin to discuss the need for anti-theism. but for now, there are too many well meaning people who are simply very mislead and i would hate to just mash on them before what i see as the bigger problems have been kind of gotten out of the way.

      that is not to say that the afore mentioned evil disgusting fucks, lets call them the theocratic fascists, should not be targeted in pre-revolutionary periods.

      simply im just not running around trying to organize people against church in general right now.....
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      Re: Atheism and Antitheism

      Fri, March 31, 2006 - 8:45 PM
      Just for you Ian, here is a list of Hindu terrorist organizations and their infractions:

      Just because a philosophy has been around for a long time, or doesnt seem to follow the judeo-dualist outline, does not necessarily mean it is without violence and terrorism.

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      Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)
      National Volunteers Association
      The RSS was founded in 1925 by the Maratha Brahmin Keshav Baliram Hegdewar [ Biju ] on the Aryan Vaishnava Holy day of Vijaya Dashami (the 10th day of the moon) when the Aryan invader Rama destroyed the Dravidian Empire of Lanka [ Sangh ]. This was done to symbolise its inherent anti-Sudra nature. Its organisation is highly skewed, with the Sar Sangh Chalak (supreme dictator) at the top [ Roots ]. Certain press reports allege that this person can only be a Brahmin, and indeed the list of sarsanghchalaks is overwhelmingly Brahmin. It is the successor of Vivekananda and Arya Samaj in the Neo-Brahmanist fundamentalist movement. The militia is organised around local cells or `shakas' where weapons are distributed to its hardcore members, who are drilled in a vigorous program of harsh discipline. Vishnu temples serve as repositories of weapons as well as centers of dissemination of its racist ideology of Aryan supremacy. Its only leaders have usually been blue-eyed Sarasvat Brahmins. The Brahmin Golwalkar, the second leader of the RSS, was trained as one of the hardcore followers of Vivekananda.

      Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)
      Indian People's Party
      Its top leaders are all hardcore Brahminist RSS cadres. Most of its leaders have been Brahmins too. Generally, RSS cadre graduate to the BJP.

      VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad)
      World Hindu Council
      The council was established on August 29, 1964 in Bombay, Maharastra [ Biju ] with a political objective of establishing the supremacy of Hinduism all over the world. It obtains funds and recruits from Aryan Hindus all across the globe, especially from the US, UK and Canada and has grown to become the main fund-raising agency of Brahmanist Fundamentalism. The council was instrumental in the demolition of the holiest Islamic shrine in Oudh, the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya and has organised several massacres of Muslims and Christians. It is in the forefront in the call for a Hindu Rashtra, a Hindu State ethnically cleansed of its non-Aryan populations.

      Bajrang Dal
      Party of Hanuman
      The militant wing of the VHP, it was formed "to counter `Sikh militancy' " during the Sikh Genocide of 1983-84 [ Bajrang ]. Created with the objective of the eradication of Sikhs which it has termed "Muslims in disguise", its cadres fought alongside Congress-backed Hindutva militias during the massacre of 200,000 Sikhs under Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. Recruits carry a " knife-like trident to be slung across the shoulder - an answer to the Sikh kirpan " [ Bajrang ]. It has subsequently expanded its targets to include Muslims and Christians as well.

      Ranvir Sena
      Army of Ranvir
      The militia was founded in 1994 by `the merger of several upper-caste private armies such as the Savarna Liberation front and the Sunlight Sena' [ Rama ] in order to combat Maoist Dalit organisations. It is essentially the Brahmin private army of Bihar. Enjoying clandestine Government support, the organisation is devoted to anti-Dalit terrorism and the preservation of the Vedic apartheid system. Its militiamen are known to be heavily armed with the most modern weaponry which is financed by Brahmin factions in the Indian Government, and the Sena has openly claimed responsibility for numerous massacres of landless Dalit Blacks and mass rapes of Dalit women. Human Rights Watch estimates the private army has been responsible for more than 400 deaths [ HRW ].

      Shiv Sena
      Shivaji's Army
      The Shiva Sena arose as a movement amongst Congress members. It intitially unleashed a `physical annihilation' of Communists (who were mainly Black) and against Dalits, and organised the mass murder of Bombay's once-influential Black South Indian communities (`lungiwallahs') and Gujaratis [ Roots ]. Subsequently, it engaged in the mass murder of 3000 Muslims [ Sri ]

      ABVP
      Indian Universities Council
      This front comprises students of Hindu religious schools (vidyalayas). It has expanded its base by infiltration into `secular' universities. Its higher-ranking cadres are well-equipped with weaponry; they often organise communal campus disturbances against Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains. Most of its members graduate to become hardcore RSS and VHP militants.

      Indian National Congress Party
      Congress
      Also known as the `Soft Hindutva' wing of the Sangh Parivar, it practices Hindutva under the deceptive guise of Pseudo-Secularism. The Congress Prime Minister of India, Narasimha Rao the Brahmin, engineered the demolition of the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya. It plunged Asia into a nuclear arms race when Indira Gandhi the Brahmani exploded India's first nuclear bomb in 1974. It followed the Kautilyan policies of Pandit Nehru. The list of its Presidents have been mainly Brahmin with a few Brahminist castes : Pandit Nehru, Pandit Shastri, Panditani Indira Gandhi, `Rama' Rajiv. Rajiv Gandhi invaded Sri Lanka to support the Aryan Sinhalese government in its extermination of Indigenous Dravidans, an act which has been termed `Ramaite in its Fascist tendency.'

      Hindutva was greatly aided by the Congress, " Congress, also played a major role in the movement's [ Hindutva ] resurgence " [ Perry ] Balram Jhakhar, a colleague of Narsimhanrao, said that "to preserve the unity of India, if we have to eradicate 2-kror (20 millions) Sikhs, we will do so" [ Sekhon ] Congress goons fought alongside Bajrang Dal and RSS militia in the genocide of more than 200,000 Sikhs in 1983-4.

      Initially the `Brahminical Tilakites' [ Roots ] formed an important part of the party. Internal purging of opponents and non-Brahmins, eg. Gandhi led to a further strengthening of Brahmin power. The Brahmin Tilak started the revival of this party [ Chandra ].

      Bharatiya Jan Sangh
      Indic Race Party
      Founded in October 1951 with the Bengal Brahmin Shyama Prasad Mookerjee as its president, who had resigned from the allied `soft' Brahminist Congress in Apil 1950 [ Chandra ] was president until he died in 1953. Its cadres were carefully chosen indoctrinated activists. The second president, the Brahmin Mauli Chandra Sharma resigned in 1954 to protest against RSS domination of the party. It strove for an `Akhand Bharat' [ Chandra ] ethnically cleansed of its Muslim, Christian and Black Sudroid Populations.

      Hindu Mahasabha
      Great Congress of Hindus
      The Sabha began as `an extremist wing of the Congress Party' [ Perry ] and was founded by the Maratha Brahmin Vinayak Damodar Sarvarkar. Influenced by `German racism' [ Letter ] Sarvarkar sought to establish a racially pure Hindu state ethnically cleansed of its non-Hindu populations. Sarvarkar's followers were involved in the brutal assasinations of of Sir Wyllie [ Sarvar ].

      HSC (Hindu Students Council)
      World Hindu Council
      The `student wing' of the VHP [ Biju ]. It conducted the the World Vision 2000 conference in Washington D.C in 1993 which was a celebration over the destruction of Babri Masjid and the attendant genocide of 5,000 Muslims [ Biju ]. It is involved in setting up hardcore Hindutva websites across the internet, spewing hatred against Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Sikhs.

      Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS)
      Hindu Volunteers Association
      The HSS was formed in the US in the 1980s, ` openly claiming allegiance to the founding principles of the RSS' [ Biju ], in order to organise Hindu terrorists in America.

      Arya Samaj
      Society of Aryans
      Founded by Dayanand Sarasvat (born 12 Feb 1824) [ Rao ] Swami Dayanand established the Arya Samaj in 1875. The Dayanand Anglo Vaidic schools (DAVs) are its propaganda wing, designed to raise a generation of brainwashed militants. Most of its students go on to become hardcore RSS and ABVP members. The Arya Samaj is the fountain of the Hindutva movement : `The rise of Hindu nationalism can be traced to the Arya Samaj in the late nineteenth century' [ Perry ]. Dayananad Sarasvati was a bigoted anti-Islamist. This is what he had to say regarding Islam :

      " Such teachings deserve to be utterly discarded. Such a book [ Quran ], such a prophet [ Mohammed ] and such a religion [ Islam ] do nothing but harm. The world would be better off without them. Wise men would do well to discard a religion so absurd and accept the Vedic faith which is absolutely free from error." [Polemics], [ Sarasvati, p.633 ]

      The raison-d'etre of the Arya Samaj was anti-Islamism and anti-Sikhism :

      " Both of the early leaders of the militant Aryas, Pandit Lekh Ram and Lala Munshi Ram [in 1917 he became Swami Shraddhananda], died at the hands of Muslim assassins as a direct result of their involvement in communal activities -- polemics and conversions. Lekh Ram was killed in 1897 due to hostile exchanges with the Ahmadiya sect of Qadian. Shraddhanand was murdered in 1926 due to his shuddhi activities in Delhi and the United Provinces." [ Polemics ]

      Ram Rajya Parishad
      Council of the Kingdom of Ram
      Formed with the explicit purpose of re-establishing Ram-Rajya (the Empire of Ram), its goal was the elimination of Sudroid Blacks (Dalits, Dravidians, Adivasis, Kolarians) and to establish a racially pure Aryan nation on the lines of Ram-Rajya. Jan Sangh, the Hindu Mahasabha and the Ram Rajya Parishad was 10 seats with 6.4 per cent of the votes. [ Chandra ] By 1967 it had disappeared.

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